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Ok this is not mechy related but just wondering what you amigos think about this "sniper" thingy. Its really disturbing to c this going on for 2 weeks now and nothinf really(as far as we know) pointing at a resolution.
Whoever is behind this(and i belive its a couple of people not just one guys) they are smart, plan their attacks with care and pay attenton to detail. To me it seems like an ongoing operation...several people taking part on it, a shooter, a driver and possible a couple of pickets watching the area of the attack and giving input on the condition of escape routs. I dont know you guys but this smells like foreing terrorism...it falls into place with the other things that have been happening around the world, the bombing in Bali, the supertanker in Yemen, the shooting in Kuwait, the messeges from UBL and his senior dudes about comming attacks.
This is just me and my paranoia ...so feel free to point out any flaws in my thinking.

OK i just became aware that i am drunk(and its monday!!)...so dont pay attention to me....bla..bla...bla.... :gulp: :salut:

Bio, no offence here bud. The whole thing is tragic but I feel the need to ask that this kind of stuff not get posted on the forums. It can go nowhere but out of hand because it will lead to idealogy and political views and ultimately to a rip roaring discussion on gun control et al.

I needed to edit this a bit here so bear with me. The other night Some of us on IRC got to talking about a horrible murder trial going on in my town. 2 thugs, did a week long crime spree that took the life of a Chelist of the City's Orechustra (sp?) and then the brutal rape and murder of 4 young people here in Wichita. These were mid 20's kids who were raped and tourhered for over 4 hrs then robbed thru their ATM's then taken naked to a soccer field and shot in the back of the head. The killers made a mistake and left a live witness, and she somehow survived. So what began as the testomy (all of it is being carried live on radio and TV here due to no room for the public in the court room) and it turned nasty when it got into the gun control issue and well some of us (me included) defended our 2nd amendment rights....well vigorously.

Please lets not do this all over again.

Please Moderators, lock this thread.

i think i can speak for all by saying that the sniper thing is tragic and to be honest scary as hell. any answers to your questions at this point would be guessing rather educated or not.

Buff, let me talk to slam about this thread and locking them and stuff.

Everyone, please hold off from posting on this thread any political views, untill im done getting some input.

Thanks.

Oblivion, i too believe in those 2 ammendments very much. that is the reason why im going to talk to slam about it, i agree that things can get out of hand, but i dont wish to limit anyones speach either. i hope, that perhaps we can talk about this subject without going overboard. if this post becomes a flame post it will be more then locked and most likly deleted for the good of the unit as a whole. i personaly hate the thought of that. and have high hopes that we can talk about our feelings about things in our lives that occur without going into something hyper political. the issue here at hand is not 'gun control' it is about our feelings about a tragidy in our lives. if we can keep to that, then i dont see why it should be locked, if we go into something unspacific and political or idealogical then i agree with buff. its not that i dislike politics or ideals. its just that sometimes there is a time and place for all things. this may not be the time and place for that.

I agree with what all you guys have said and understand you.
I don't know how to say this nicely and it WILL seem machiavelian to most.
This is a theory I have sort of come up with, or a shot in the dark, I will let the audience decide:
When humans (I refrain from using mankind cause to me it sounds sexist) first walked the earth we were easily killed.
As time progressed our species developed weapons that leveled the playing field with our animal neighbors.
Man kept progressing up the food chain and is now at the top of it.
Throughout history nature has kept life in balance...I apologize for going off topic.
Predators eat the herbavores who eat the plants, etc...
There are no natural predatores for homo sapien now. With all the violence going on could this be nature's way of keeping us humans in check.
With all the long wars in the past to control the population now long gone
the human population has to be controlled somehow.
I apologize to any one who finds this post offensive. I tried to sound as SCIENTIFIC as I could. I am 17 mind you.

Hails all,
ok, word from the big guy came back. we are going to give this a shot, there COULD be things said that are inflamitory, all we ask is that everyone try to respect and accept others point of view even if they dont agree with them. this thread is open for input. keep it nice folks if it gets out of hand it will be locked.

Thanks.

an interesting idea Venom. so to get you right you feel that there maybe some mental trigger that is switched to make some ppl violent due to over population? in a way i see it, however i thought that the mega diseases we go threw were there for that as well.

I, myself, am unsure rather this is a single whacko or a group of terrorists. i do believe that there is a decline in america on the older moral standiards and like probably all ppl as i get older i see things in the younger generation i know i couldnt get away with or even think of when i was at that age. as far as i can tell, there seems to be a lack of respect for authority in general all around. in fact in some instances a shear hate of authority in some cases. such as the school shootings perhaps. which i live in springfield where one of those happened. alot of this younger generation seems to learn respect however so i cant say for sure if this is just a trend of 'coolness' or an actual idealism. the thing that gets me about this sniper thing is that this person dosnt seem to be young. meaning that this person is mentaly unstable, or perhaps have a reason to hate us in general. becuse there is no trend to the targets he choses. if this person hates us in general then it is highly possible they were not born here or have a basic hatred for americans. which seems to lead to the terrorist idea... its so hard to tell with the limited info we recieve from the media. all i know is i hate to see it, it makes me scared for myself, my wife and children. if it can happen there then it can happen here. i admit fully that i am scared as hell about recent events i seen over the last 5 years. but i know too that i must keep going, i must provide for my family and risk whats out there in the world. if i happen to be a victum i pray that perhaps someday someone is able to avenge my death on whoever caused it, but still i believe we must keep going or these ppl get an upper hand.

hope some of this makes sence? i just got off work and beat tired LOL.
ok stopping now before the rattling on thing starts LOL
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OK guys im sorry for the trouble....my intention was not to create any controversy or anything just discuss a problem bases on whant we know so far as a group of friends and grown ups. I was not interested in political views or in spinning the disscision to something else, just on how, who and why a person or more than one could get away with shooting people with a rifle and not leave clues or leads.
Again i apologize.

Buff, despite IRC i was sure what we agreed at the end up was that we would agree to disagree. I dont see a problem in 2 people having different points of view, as long as both can accept that the other is entitled to their view.

As to the shootings. The probabilities of 2 friends, regardless of how close they are or whatever, going on a killing spree like this is remote. 2 brothers however i think would be much more likely. History has shown (and the story Buff was talking about that happened in his State is a prime example) that brothers or siblings are, i think, more likely to collaborate in this type of killing. I can think of more than a few cases off the top of my head where brothers/sisters have gone as far as plotting to murder their own parents. But obviosuly, this is all just conjecture on my part. I only hope they are caught soon.

Glas

Yes BK I think overpopulation may cause some trigger to kill to even out the population.
Problem is I need to look at a lot of animal species to get a more accurate theory.

Venom

Hmmmm doesnt quite add up tho. What some people would call restraints on population growth, the ordinary person would call natural disasters i.e massive earthquakes, tidal waves, etc. To suggest that Mother Nature is now using evil, rather than Nature itself to control population growth, you are as good as saying that nature is doing the work of the devil.

If what it sounds like you said is what you meant, that ppl kill each other in an unconcious attempt to lower a growing population.....dont think so myself. Even the worst peice of evil that ever visited man, the Sept 11 events, wouldnt have even caused a blip in the worldwide population. And, without trying to trivialise what was a tragic event, i hardly think Jeff Dahmer was saying to himself '1 down, only 5,634,452,459 to go' as he sat down to his evening meal!

Glas

If you need a spotter BB give me a call

Hell, I'll go as bait and pump gas, if I can get a lion's share of that.
I thought it was up to $500K. You wouldn't be planning on short changing your decoy, would you?

Fethr

I was talking to some of my co-workers about this whole thing a few days ago. After the description that was given after the last shooting I think that my theory is correct.

This will probably turn out to be some Al-Quaeda/muslim extremist group that is commiting these acts. Which inturn really kills the whole 2nd amend arguement because as any cop will tell you if a suspect wants a gun he is gonna get it no matter how illegal they are. I am sure Lancer can back me up on this.

PS Chief Moose was rolled out of an Oregon dept for reverse racism so when yo usay idiot cop you nailed that one on the head. A podunk PD has no business running this investigation the FBI/ATF is just letting him have his fun in the spotlight.

Later

that makes sence Doc. ive done a bit of hunting myself and have always been told by the old timers to go for the lungs heart region. its a big area and it stops the animal. ive still got plenty of doubts this is an organized group of terrorists myself. generaly they do take creadit for actions such as killings but again they also go for mass killings for the shock value. this is more a slow terror style. but im no expert so i could be way off too. it is extremly possible that this is a whacko that perhaps dealing with current events went over the edge. or perhaps a whacko thinking that becuse of current events they wont take a hard look for locals. who realy knows. but i wish we could find out soon. the only thing that i can think aobut when i hear about this on the boob toob and stuff is how the families must be feeling right now. they have my sympathies and my prayers. if anyone gets this guy i think they deserve a freaken medal! goes for any of you guys too ;P (also will throw in my mech parking spot for a year!!)

Doc,
Already considered it, but the issue is the police would think it was us doing it... I don't care about money, just want to get the bugger... And yes, I am quite serious. This is right up my alley.

Steel, it wouldnt be the Police you would have to worry about catching you with the gun, its one of the no doubt hundreds of bounty hunters now scouring the DC area for any sign of this maniac. I fear that some of these guys are going to bump in to each other in their quest to find him, and end up shooting each other.

Obviously the confusion a scenario like that would cause would be much to his advantage.

BB i agree its up to the public to catch him, but preferably someone providing a tip off, or following him after one of his hits and telling Police his whereabouts. The last thing the Police need tho is a gang of vigilantes scouring the streets armed to the teeth. I could see that causing more problems than it would solve.

Glas

Glas,
Bounty hunting is not that prevalent - I would be surprised if there were more than hundreds in the whole U.S.

It would be the cops to worry about - they are not too swift sometimes... (no offense JB).

Hey Steel no offense taken. I have seen interviews with Chief Moose and he is an embarassment. Not to blow my own horn but SO CAL cops are usually better trained than any others in the nation. We train to deal with snipers and urban terrorists. That is why we just sent a team from our SEB (SWAT) to DC to help out with the investigation.

Our guys have been chomping at the bit to get involved ever since this started. Hell we even have some new fangled pieceof equipment that tracks gunshots (dont ask im just a grunt)

Anyways, this case will break when the guy gets lazy or comfortable then someone will see him and the cops there will nab him or kill him either one is good with me

Ok im done lol.