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Posted: 04 Nov 2002, 09:29
by Hammer
Sorry BB, that is pretty kludged up there...but you are right, it would take a book. I think most folks ideas of cavalry come from the Napoleonic times and/or the U.S. Civil War. More on those below...

Cavalry mobility has never been limited by its support units on the battlefield - mobility and shock factor is why cavalry came into being. It was, however, a stupid commander that allowed his cavalry to range outside the support net of the rest of the army. Cavalry were often deployed as single type forces to conduct raids on rear area bagggage trains (supply) and harrass enemy troops - all on their own. Sometimes (as in light cav in the Napoleonic times) they were broken down into smaller than regiment size forces to be used as pickets, recon, screening and security forces. This type of use continued until the demise of the organized cavalry units.

Cavalry was actually developed from war chariots - which were quite shocking themselves in their first deployments.

It took many centuries for the actual use of horses with individually mounted riders to be developed past the chariot stage (saddles, bridles, etc. had to be invented) - once they were it did not take long for mounted soldiers to be common and desirable. They evolved from the mounted spearmen and archers of ancient times to the medieval knight (once stirrups were invented) into the Napoleonic Cavalry... Due to gunpowder...the armor of the knight was no longer useful, so it was dropped for speed, endurance and mobility. There were distinctions in the type of cavalry units - those being light and battle (heavy) with a few sub-types within those categories depending upon weapon and useage. I won't repeat what I have found to be a good reference as to the types of cavalry in the Napoleonic eras... All armies had cavalry of these types at the time, they were just called different things due to language. Also throughout the history of mounted soldiers, there have been light and heavy cavalry.

http://www.3rdcuirassiers.org/cavalry/napcav.htm

In the U.S. Civil War, cavalry was still used mounted for the most part, although the soldiers would dismount to fight fairly often as well. Before the reorg at the beginning of the war, 3 of the Northern regiments were dragoons or mounted riflemen. Later in the war they were used as typical Napoleonic cavalry...often as seperate cav-only units deep into enemy territory. It is noteworthy that the Southern cavalry was immensely superior to the Northern cavalry, especially at the bneginning of that war. Here is a brief on the Northern cavalry during the war:

http://www.civilwarcavalry.com/cavalry.htm

In the Indian Wars typical cavalry use as we imagine/know it was on the decline. They did occasionally conduct mounted charges, but it was extremely rare. The cav soldier preferred to fight from the ground, as in dragoons. Horses were used mostly as a means of fast transporation... WWI saw the absolute demise of cavalry as a viable type of combat unit, beginning to be replaced by armored vehicles after the war...

So, to sum it up cavalry was either: light which includes light cav., light horsemen, mounted archers, lancers, chasseurs, etc. or heavy which includes heavy cav., battle cav., carabiniers, curassiers, etc. A potential third distinction could be dragoons and mounted infantry, which dismounted to fight. Sometimes Dragoons are included in the Heavy Cavalry designation - not sure why. The largest difference in a heavy and light designation lies in the type of horse, sometimes the stature of the men (heh! - or women, how many of you know that there is a doumented female buffalo soldier?), and the role assigned to the unit.

Disclaimer: Of course this is all my interpretation of the historical facts I am familiar with and have researched!

Posted: 04 Nov 2002, 09:30
by ELH~Lancer
Hey Benn thanks for the cav input. I spent several years in a 'real' cavalry unit (note the correct spelling :) ). I am a bit at lost as to spotting the the Big Horn/Isandlwana link tho apart from both commanders under estimating the opposition.

Posted: 04 Nov 2002, 09:54
by Malin
There is no comparison in the battles, for Isandlwana it has been proven that the rifles and ammunition used by the British army at the time was found to be at fault, for the reasons stated below:

Rifles, the rifle used by the British at the time was unsuitable in hot temperatures as excessive heating of the barrel caused misfires (In testing the weapon jammed after around 5 shots when the barrel had been pre heated to temperature conditions experienced in that part of Africa)

Ammunition, whilst there was no shortage of ammunition reported at the battle the type of round (I'll leave it to Lancer to specify exact type) used had a very delicate cartridge case that was prone to damage and distortion from mistreatment (In battle situations the ammunition cases were generally opened using the butt of a rifle) basically it had a soft shell case. This in itself increased the chances of causing a misfire, and when added to the suspecibility of the rifles to misfire at extremes of temperature it is estimated that within the 1st 10 minutes of battle being joined upto 30% of the british troops had suffered from misfires.

Additionally to the above other factors need to be considered.

The British firing lines were deployed to far in front of the base thus thining the lines to a point where jammed rifles left huge gaps in the firing lines.

It has been proven that the Zulu warriors had been fed large quantities of hallucigenic drugs (uppers) by the Shamen prior to the battle, basically turning them into berserkers.

The smoke generated by be the firing created a situation where it was not possible to see a target to shoot at it, added to all the other factors above allowed the Zulu's to close in and engage in hand to hand fighting, for which they were better armed than the British to do and this further disrupted the British firing lines basically turning the whole situation to shit.

Malin

Posted: 04 Nov 2002, 15:09
by Venom
Damn, I didn't know that about the berserkers. Or the misfires, but the brits did let themselves become too thin. Did they even train the standard british G.I. to fight hand to hand. I know that at one time U.S. fighters were built without machine guns, big mistake if your missiles miss what do you have left to defend yourself with?

Posted: 04 Nov 2002, 21:37
by Buffalo Six
Sounds Similar to why the caliber .45 round was developed and the trusty Colt Model 1911. While the US military was tearing ass around the Phippines they would end up going toe to toe with these Moro Warriors who came at them out of the bushes at short range with evil machetes. At the time the standard arms were the Springfield '03 and a caliber .38 revolver. Well these Moro guys had their balls tied in a knot so they were...well beserk. The .38 didnt do anything except piss them off even more (after all their balls were in knots) so the .45 was born to knock these guys down. Thus enduth Buffalo's hazy history lesson, please leave your notebooks on your seat as you file out..............