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weekly history question

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 07:46
by Slamhammer


Ok here is your 1st test...hehe you have to answer the full question..

1. What is the name, rank ,duty assignment and unit of the American officer that said "Nuts" to the German demand for surrender of Bastogne.

2. who were the oppossing Civil War generals at the battle of Brady Station. The largest cav Battle of the war.

3. What is the name, Rank and fighter Sqd of the WWII british fighter Ace that flew dispite having both legs missing..

Good Luck..all I will be posting more questions as you answer these..

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 08:14
by Mooseman
1) General Tony McAuliffe, Div General of the 101st Airborne
2) Maj Gen Pleasanton (US) and Maj Gen Jeb Stuart (CSA) were the CO's at Brandy station, which i believe wasn't an all cav battle...that honour goes to Trevellian station :)
3)Sqn Ldr Douglas Bader commanded 242 Squadron during the Battle of Britain

do i win a prize?

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 08:25
by Mooseman
a return question....who was the RAF's most successful fighter ace of WWII?

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 08:55
by Slamhammer
SGM those were a little easy...ok you were the first to answer all questions correctley...your prize you get to post the next set of questions..lets go people ...SGM post two more questions...those who answer correctley get to post the next set of three..maybe I can get steel to open up a new fourm..dedicated to Military history..call it the LightHorse School of Military History....we can archive it and have a monthly history test..

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 11:41
by Mooseman
Correct boy wonder!! He was an old boy from my school, where he is infamous for some of his antics and shenannigans. Apparently, at one stage he was jokingly (possibly) accused by Douglas Bader as being the person who collided with him, leading to his crash and capture.

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 12:45
by GlasgowCelts
Just a quick question....

Wasnt the RAF Top Ace in WWII some Polish bloke who was infamous for going off on his own during squadron sorties? He died eventually but as far as i remembered reading, he was credited with being top fighter ace in RAF.

I'll look up his name again.

Glas

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 13:24
by Mooseman
maybe it's the surviving top fighter ace....but i'm fairly sure that Johnny Johnson is the top one

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 13:29
by Venom
I am into history but stuff I am more into Roman stuff. I do not know why? a good friend of mine thinks I may of been a Roman general in a past life. I still want to look up some Ancient Roman battles, but do not know the time.

Here more Q's:

1) Who led an army through the Alps in an attempt to kick Rome's ass?

2)Roman general who defeated the Carthaginian army at Carthage.(It was at Carthage wasn't it?)

3)First recorded use of double encirclement? (Pincer attack)

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 17:13
by Falker
I'll say Saint Albans Vermont for question 3

Black Sheep for question 2 .

Um..... Scouting for danger for queation 1

I had to go back and correct question 3 , But it's looks like I got there in time .

Falker

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 18:10
by Falker
Question one

Who was Captain of the HMS Lydia, and voyages to the Pacific with orders to foment a rebellion in Spain's Central American colonies

Question Two

What Captain was watching from his prison in Rosas while the Royal Navy finishes the job of destroying the French ships he'd fought in the Sutherland


Question 3

What famous Naval Battle was fought over and near the tiny U.S. mid-Pacific base in June 1942 --

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 18:53
by Falker
Oh well crap. That means I went out of turn ,hehe

Only other name I can come up with for question 2 was the Flying Tigers at this point.

Was reading up on the SELOUS SCOUTS they did lots of things. “Bush and Tracking” and was also famous for the Church Door . I'll get back to you when I come up with something more solid.

Falker

Posted: 21 Dec 2002, 20:25
by Falker
Answer for Question 2

"Swashbucklers"

Answer for Question 3


pseudo operations ? Let me also add that question 1 sucked :-) The The Selous Scouts from 1973 -1980 had no unique tactic from what I can find , "so far" Good read tho. I'll pass for now on that question.

<S> Falker

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 04:05
by ELH~Lancer
The Scouts most infamous tactic was dressing and acting as the opposition to carry out ambushes. This included 'blacking up' for the white members of the unit. The British had used this tactic in Kenya against insurgents. The Scouts took it and improved it.

I used to work with an ex-Scout who told some 'interesting' tales. Not exactly cricket old boy :wink:

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 10:57
by Falker
To Answer Venom's Questions:

(1) The famous march on Rome began in 218 BC. Hannibal left New Carthage(now Cartagena), Spain, with an army of about 40,000, including cavalry and a considerable number of elephants carrying baggage and later used in battle. He crossed the Pyrenees and the Rhone River and traversed the Alps in 15 days, harassed by snowstorms, landslides, and the attacks of hostile mountain tribes.

(2) In 202 BC, after 15 years of war, and with the military fortunes of Carthage rapidly declining, Hannibal was recalled to Africa to command the defense of his own country against a roman invasion under Scipio Africanus the Elder. When he met Scipio at Zama, North Africa, his raw troops fled, many deserting to the Romans, and his veterans were cut down. Carthage fell to Rome, and the Second Punic War came to an end.


(3) The Pincer movement is basically an envelopment movement at both sides, its also known as the double envelopment. It is done in the following way: move your base back as if it is retreating. Now move your flanks forward. An unsuspecting enemy will presume to have found a soft spot in you defense and will move as much troops as possible to the base. Now your flanks will start to push forward, and as soon as the enemies flanks have passed you. Fold the flanks inward. This will cause a total encirclement, you can now attack the enemy from the rear as well as moving the base forward again. Another possibility is to advance with you flanks and attack the flanks of the enemy using your base for a fighting retreat.
Cannae, 216 BC, Hannibal retreats his base and Romans sure of victory attack through the centre. This battle is a classic, by the way.

Rommel used this tactic in 1942 in the North Africa campaign to fold the enemy brigades, thereby isolating them and attacking them one by one. In 1942 he was severely outnumbered on numerous occassions, so this was the only way in which he could defeat the British Army.


Now my questions are easy. Especially for them Brits over there. Thats right up their ally :wink:

Falker

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 16:32
by Falker
Good Beo . And here all this time I thougt Horatio Hornblower was for real. Sigh

Nicely Done ..... Image ....A+



Falker

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 21:43
by Firemane
Didn't Johnyy Johnson have something like 38 or 40 victories? I think I also remember that he's famous for never having his plane it by enemy fire.

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 23:26
by GlasgowCelts
Ive still to find the name of the Polish bloke but if you can find a listing of the top Aces in the European Arena (where the RAF done most, if not all its sorties), his name will be at or very near the top.

Glas

Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 23:29
by GlasgowCelts
Bear in mind, the British mentality at that time was very much on the Squadron kills and not the individual pilot kills. This guys tactics were very frowned upon but nonetheless they were undoubtedly effective. He isnt much revered in the history books tho.

Glas

Posted: 23 Dec 2002, 03:57
by Malin
typical Glas to give a question with an impossible answer.

Top Aces of WWII, the problem is that alot of history looks at the results differently, some take the results form the battle of britain, some only take them 1940 to 1945 some acutally take them from 1936 - 1946 (Spanish war to the end of the Pacific war) but here goes:

Belgian: Yvan Georges du Monceau de Bergandel - 8 kills
Bulgarion: Cudomir Toplodolski - 8 kills
Chinese: Li Kwei-Tan - 12 kills
Croatian: Mato Dukovac - 40 kills
Czech: Karel Kuttelwascher - 18 kills
Danish: Kaj Birksted - 11 kills
Finnish: Eino Juutilainen - 94 kills
French: Pierre Closterman - 33 kills
German: Erich Hartmann - 352 kills
Hungarion: Dezsõ Szentgyörgyi - 34 kills
Italian: Adriano Visconti - 26 kills
Japanese: Hiroyoshi Nishizawa - 94 kills
Norwegian: Svein Heglund - 15 kills
Polish: Jozef Frantisek - 31 kills
Romainan: Prince Constantine Cantacuzene - 60 kills
Slovak: Ján Režòák - 32 kills
Soviet: Ivan Kozhedub - 62 kills
Spanish: Gonzalo Hevia Alvarez de Quiñones -12 kills

Onto Glas's query, Generally the Top Aces are split purely between German and what we consider British, If you are looking at purely British then it is James Johnson with 38 but if you look at British Commonwealth pilots then the top Ace for the British in WWII was Marmaduke Pattle from South Africa with 51 kills


Why the big differences in kills? Well alot had to do with the Air Force they were flying for, the American way was once a pilot had 5 kills he was removed form combat and made an instructor (although the Top US pilot was Richard Bong with 40 kills). The pilots with the highest kills was overly dependant on how badly the country in question was struggling and where there theatre of Operations was. England for example was throwing alot of pilots into the Battle of Britain so you have a large number of pilots British, Polish, Czech and French who fought in BoB and had around 20-30 kills, after BoB alot of these pilots became instructors or were promoted up. Germany on the other hand had a relatively small Airforce so the pilots flew a staggering number of sorties when compared to Allied pilots For example:


Erich Hartmann flew 1400 sorties during the course of the War, racking up 352 kills.

Jozef Frantisek only flew for one month 2 September 1940 to 8th October 1940 before being shot down and killed. In that time he had 31 kills which made him the Allied top ace of BoB. the only other pilot to get this many kills in boB was Witold Urbanowicz who also matched 31 kills and was promoted out of flying.


The most successful pilot of the war was Hans Ulrich Rudel who flew the Stuka, he is credited as flying 2,530 combat missions and destroying the following:

518+ Tanks
700 Trucks
150+ Flak and Artillery positions
9 Fighter/Ground Attack Aircraft
Hundreds of bridges, railway lines, bunkers, etc.
Battleship October Revolution, Cruiser Marat, and 70 landing craft

Like Hartmann, Hans flew the majority of his sorties on the Russian front where for the first 2-3 years of the war Russian pilots had as little as 2 hours instruction in how to fly before being sent up into combat. This however does not say they were skillful pilots as Hartmanns flew on the Western front in the later stages of the war and racked up 10 kills in one day (2nd March 1944) mostly American P51 Mustangs.


Have I answered the question?

and Do I now get to ask one?


Malin

Posted: 23 Dec 2002, 08:09
by Venom
Well done Falker, Beowolf.