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It's a beta, but it's free and will stay that way even when it is out of beta apparently. To use a Boston term, wicked pissa!

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

ummm - what?

free? COOL!

yea like steel said what is it?

I highly suspect Hudson is referring to this:


http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

Haven't you guys heard? NOTHING in this life is for free . . . . . .!! :shock: Hence the reason you can't see anything! :lol: :lol:

Nothing is free, and that's why I have more nothing than I know what to do with. I just keep collecting more and more...

The problem there is , when you need it and go looking for it, you find NOTHING! :roll: :lol:

OK, I'm not the smart kid. You should realize that I am a United States Marine, and you should expect brilliant moves like this on occasion, when dealing with me :lol:

you were just distracted by weapons platoon stuff... ;)

The brilliance was shown in your portrayal of nothing as something - I was suitably impressed. Just remember, that you won't be able to pull that one off with ammunition, once it's gone, it's gone! (unless you're magiver or a member of the A team, eh?! ) I'd hate for you to suffer the heartache of reality with that one at a crucial moment. :lol:

well, if you want to get a little deeper into the nothing issue. 'Nothing' is actualy a thing... so you can actualy have it. i say this do the fact its defined and anything defined is in all actuality a 'Thing'.

now if you are refering to the meaning of true nothingness i would define it as such " ". of course this forum dosnt do it justice since " " can be interpited in a number of different ways.... including the word 'blank' that is again, a 'Thing'. even space cant be defined as 'Nothing' becuse it actualy has gasses, dust and such... and of course vacume that is also a 'Thing'.

Now following this thought process, i did realize one profound thing...

Damn this place is cluttered!! :shock:

Nothing is something. It is the sum of zero. Which is nothing. It's flawed; flawed and perfect all at the same time. :shock: :lol:

so, in light of that lets talk about XenSource...Hudson?

XenSource looks cool. I haven't tried it yet. I am trying it now. Fedora Core 5 Test 2 has support straight off the FTP server (rather than out of the box as it wre), and setup looks simple: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraXen ... 7d2a336c53.

First problem I was already aware of with it, is that it is (presently)necessary to modify the guest OS at the kernel level. Because of that this limits you to Linux guests. NetBSD, FreeBSD, and Solaris x86 10 support is "nearing completion"

And since the host OS is Linux you are going to be running, you guessed it, Linux top and bottom. VMWare conversely has support for every version of Windows from DOS/Windows 3.1 to Windows Vista, supports several Linux distributions and will run many more (for instance Fedora is not 'supported' but runs perfecty fine), FreeBSD, Solaris 9 and 10, Netware 4.2-6.5, and probably more.

That's not to bad mouth Xen of course, but it is limited at the moment. When you can run a slew of operating systems on top of it, it will be much more interesting and useful a product.

Future processors from AMD and Intel are supposed to let Windows run without modification of the Windows kernel, which is good, because I can't particularly see Windows doing so. But until these processors are the majority of the market, and then only assuming it lets you run the full gamut of now unsupported OS'es without modification I don't see them taking down VMWare.

I do think it is what drove VMWare to release a free product though (since Xen is opensource and freely available), and as with anything competition and competitive alternate approaches only end up benefiting the user with lower prices and free products.
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i don't believe Xen runs on top of anything else...

It is based on a Linux kernel, and therefore you are already seeing Linux distributions with custom kernels that run their OS and Xen, so that you get a guest/host effect, even though it's not quite that simple...

yes - i was thinking about future stuff not paying attention to what is reality now.

Guys, this damn site won't let me d/l the files, it gets to a screen that shows three files for d/l, then bumps off to a 404 error screen when i click on any one of them. Any ideas? I've also noticed that it seems to keep asking for me to login or "finish the registration screen details", even though I have received notice from vmware that I have already registered, and providing me with the relevant codes for use with the software.

The site is probably busy as hell with people downloading it. It is likely a very popular download with computer enthusiasts and to top it off it is a rather large install. I am uploading it to my site now, and I will post the link in this thread when it is up.

I just got my first Xen virtual machine installing. The configuration was a bit of a bitch to figure out, and there was a bug in the script used to configure virtual systems on Fedore Core 5. I pointed it out and the developer corrected it, so I was finally able to create a system.

Then came the part about configuring my host systems memory so that there was enough left over in order to run the guest. Before I figured that out it kept belching errors at me.

And I couldn't do a 256/256 split because it continued belching memory errors. 192/256 seems to work (256 going to the guest, since it is apparently required to have that much for a guest install using Fedora (that is strictly Fedoras problem at the moment and they are working on it. Centos needs only something like 98MB.)

I am less than stoked about the fact that my audio driver seems to be broken in the xen kernels. The mixer doesn't work, and there is no output, even though the modules are installed and loaded, and plainly visible when I do an lsmod. I have pointed that out as well, but no one seems to have a clue on that one.

So far those are my xen experiences. Will have to see if I can get the guest completely installed and running. I need to look into the sound issue in more depth later on as well.