no Kodiak- it is often blown out of proportion, sometimes way too far...
the proof is in a soldier's actions and capabilities - nothing more.
which regiment are you talking about?
but before you slam the US Forces, remember who helped dig Europe out from under certain and hopeless tyanny...twice. must be something about us Yanks - eh? ;)
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There is only one regiment in the world referred to as "The Regiment" - 22 Special Air Service.
I am inclined to believe you that for the majority of it, it IS blown way out of proportion. Unfortunately, there are two situations where they do themselves no favour: infront of the camera for many many documetaries they take part in, I've even seen it on our side too at times - people playing to the camera (so those who chose who to put infront of the camera to represent them are really to blame I guess!). Secondly, and more importantly - infront of their peers within other military organisations, such as working alongside us in places like Bosnia, Kosovo in the many policing tasks we carry out there where there is too much "use" of the weapons being carried than use of mouth to communicate with local people in dispute. To, at times full-on military confrontations where is there is just too much gung-ho heroic stupidity from those who have been taught to believe they are indestructible, for some there is no tempering of the balance between sure-footed assault and blind rush headlong. So going back to your other point - yes, correctly said it IS purely dependant on the actions, capabilities of the individual. So, I should temper my argument by adding that I have personally worked alongside a good number of very professional soldiers from your organisations. Most of which were from the special forces side of things.
To give you an idea of what I'm driving at, let's take two patrols one US, and one Brit and send them down the same street on two identical days and simply observe the reactions from the people in the street. But there are obvious differences too in the way the patrols conduct themselves - one example of that is lookat the the way weapons are.
Further, I am not knocking America's commitment during the last World Wars, although it is questionable of USA would have entered the war at-all had Pearl harbor not been attacked (I DO note that was a political decision made by your government, and that many had crossed the pond already to assist in the fight for freedom long before the government commited your country to the war in the first place - but we have stood by America too when all others have disavowed themselves from you. None more-so than in the most recent conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan where shall we just say our motives are somewhat in question. I think we all understand though the importance regardless, of removing Sad-On Insane from power.
The only thing up for debate here is some of the phsycological make-up that goes behind the training some of you guys receive - nothing more. :roll:
I am inclined to believe you that for the majority of it, it IS blown way out of proportion. Unfortunately, there are two situations where they do themselves no favour: infront of the camera for many many documetaries they take part in, I've even seen it on our side too at times - people playing to the camera (so those who chose who to put infront of the camera to represent them are really to blame I guess!). Secondly, and more importantly - infront of their peers within other military organisations, such as working alongside us in places like Bosnia, Kosovo in the many policing tasks we carry out there where there is too much "use" of the weapons being carried than use of mouth to communicate with local people in dispute. To, at times full-on military confrontations where is there is just too much gung-ho heroic stupidity from those who have been taught to believe they are indestructible, for some there is no tempering of the balance between sure-footed assault and blind rush headlong. So going back to your other point - yes, correctly said it IS purely dependant on the actions, capabilities of the individual. So, I should temper my argument by adding that I have personally worked alongside a good number of very professional soldiers from your organisations. Most of which were from the special forces side of things.
To give you an idea of what I'm driving at, let's take two patrols one US, and one Brit and send them down the same street on two identical days and simply observe the reactions from the people in the street. But there are obvious differences too in the way the patrols conduct themselves - one example of that is lookat the the way weapons are.
Further, I am not knocking America's commitment during the last World Wars, although it is questionable of USA would have entered the war at-all had Pearl harbor not been attacked (I DO note that was a political decision made by your government, and that many had crossed the pond already to assist in the fight for freedom long before the government commited your country to the war in the first place - but we have stood by America too when all others have disavowed themselves from you. None more-so than in the most recent conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan where shall we just say our motives are somewhat in question. I think we all understand though the importance regardless, of removing Sad-On Insane from power.
The only thing up for debate here is some of the phsycological make-up that goes behind the training some of you guys receive - nothing more. :roll:
It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
heh. that's true. However, when the infantrymen were smoking and joking, us commos guys were still running our asses off - especially in the jump-happy TOC's!cool - me too... although I miss the Infantry a LOT. sorry PV, commo is NOT combat arms! yeah, i know - you were in a combat arms unit.
Yes, I completed jump school when I entered the service. I never got assigned to a true airborne unit though (damn perscom). However, when I was at Stewart, my LT was able to hook us up several times with jumps with our higher, which was an airborne unit at bragg. So I was able to get like 5 more jumps in while there because they used a couple DZ's at Stewart. So I technically have 10 jumps.did you get to an airborne unit? or just jump school? i was just a 5 jump cherry... i was in the 101st though. went to rappelmaster school - that was the most difficult and professional school have been to to date.
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