Hi:
We're getting ready to move into our first home. We're really excited of course. It will be nice to sit on the back deck and have breakfast instead of in front of the television. We'll be out of contact until at least Monday June 28th, perhaps a bit longer. See you on the dark side of the moon.
Grifter...signing off.
Sabre and Grifter are moving
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Jedi Master
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Congrats on your new house
Congrats on the new house Grifter, sounds like you will be busy for a while. When you get time, there's a movie out that might be right up your alley. It's called Donnie Darko. I read the Overview for the movie and immediately thought of you:
OVERVIEW FOR DONNIE DARKO:
After he narrowly avoids being killed by a falling jet engine, a troubled youngster named Donnie Darko (Jake Gyllenhaal) begins having hallucinations of a giant, creepy rabbit that warns him that the world will end in 28 days. As he tries to make sense of what's going on, Donnie becomes convinced that he should have died the night of the accident.
LMAO!!
(Runs off to look for a preview trailer...)
OVERVIEW FOR DONNIE DARKO:
After he narrowly avoids being killed by a falling jet engine, a troubled youngster named Donnie Darko (Jake Gyllenhaal) begins having hallucinations of a giant, creepy rabbit that warns him that the world will end in 28 days. As he tries to make sense of what's going on, Donnie becomes convinced that he should have died the night of the accident.
LMAO!!
(Runs off to look for a preview trailer...)
"SILENCE, I KILL YOU!!" - Achmed the Dead Terrorist
AKA: Staark or Staark_RLG
MAn!! You gotta be kiddin' me here 
. Where do you drag up this sorta shit? Don't you guys have better things to do . . . . .
But I gotta say - you got me LMFAO!
. Where do you drag up this sorta shit? Don't you guys have better things to do . . . . . But I gotta say - you got me LMFAO!
It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
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PanzerMeyer
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Damn that is me. LOL. As for the new home. We've got a lot to do, yes. But we got a lot done already. Now we'll begin the ten year long process of picking away at stuff we want to move into the proper place or change. As for where we used to live, Hammer is far from the truth. Our old apartment sucked to put it mildly. Now that we have our own home, we could'nt be happier really. Well, actually, if someone else would pay for it, I suppose we would be happier.
See you later.
See you later.
Yeah, I know where you're coming from there. Moving is something I've done lots of - unfortunately, the new place feeling in our sort of environment tends to wear-off real quickly when you realise things like - it simply isn't big enough, and that's without the friggin furniture!!
In the military we have a civilian contractor who deals with housing (more efficient apparently - yeah right! More like more red tape and Friggin beaurocracy! ) All they do all day long is quote regulations at you and no-one can help cos they can't use their influential rank to do something about it! :roll: So, when we finally move out of here it won't be a day too soon either I can tell you - that is the flipside of the coin that Sabre & Grifter are in - they've moved into somewhere they both like and WANT to be. Big difference.
In the military we have a civilian contractor who deals with housing (more efficient apparently - yeah right! More like more red tape and Friggin beaurocracy!
) All they do all day long is quote regulations at you and no-one can help cos they can't use their influential rank to do something about it! :roll: So, when we finally move out of here it won't be a day too soon either I can tell you - that is the flipside of the coin that Sabre & Grifter are in - they've moved into somewhere they both like and WANT to be. Big difference.It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
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Jedi Master
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See, Grifter's problem is he is using the word home as a synonym for house.
A home is an apartment, townhouse, condo, house, basement, room over the garage, shack, shanty, boat, van, trailer, or cardboard box in the middle of the road covered by a tarpaulin.
Therefore his statement that he moved into his first home was ludicrous as that implied he never had one before, ie was homeless.
What he should have said was that he was moving into his first house, but he was so very, very out of it that he failed to notice this even after I pointed it out. As a result, I am forced to write this diatribe spelling out his error in painful, excruciating detail.
A home is an apartment, townhouse, condo, house, basement, room over the garage, shack, shanty, boat, van, trailer, or cardboard box in the middle of the road covered by a tarpaulin.
Therefore his statement that he moved into his first home was ludicrous as that implied he never had one before, ie was homeless.
What he should have said was that he was moving into his first house, but he was so very, very out of it that he failed to notice this even after I pointed it out. As a result, I am forced to write this diatribe spelling out his error in painful, excruciating detail.
The Jedi Master
Sigh, boy Jedi, did you ever screw up. You want to talk semantics? Fine by me, that's what I do for a living. You're egregious error lies in the notion that the word home may only be used in a singular context with only one definition, a literal one at that. Ever place I've lived up to now has been rental, and therefore I don't define them as home, but rather as places I reside for the time-being. This is our first home. The first place that we pay for and its ours. This is our first home. The place where, if we like, we can hang things up on the wall; hell, we can knock the walls down. It's ours. Furthermore, we can invite friends and family over to use the pool in the backyard or Christmas dinner. It's a place that we will build memories in. It's a place that we can lay claim too, not just financially, but emotionally. By my definition, and many would agree, a home is more than just an aparment, town house, or an abode. It's not just where I come home from work. I hate semantics, they're annoying.
Hey Raptor,
I wanna do the same as you with your dancing banana - only I wanna have the dancing peanut in the Peanut Butter Jelly Time link that I got off Softball, can you help me get that done? :lol: Is that where you got that dancing banana from?
I wanna do the same as you with your dancing banana - only I wanna have the dancing peanut in the Peanut Butter Jelly Time link that I got off Softball, can you help me get that done? :lol: Is that where you got that dancing banana from?
It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
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Jedi Master
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I lived in the same apartment for 3 years. I hung tons of pictures on the walls, patched the holes when I left.
I called it home.
Your mistake is in attaching an extraneous emotional content to a word and then expecting everyone to understand this in its proper context, without realizing that for many of us a word is a word. I know people who have NEVER "owned" a place in which to dwell, but have solely rented for decades. If I were to posit to them that they don't have a home, they would refute you utterly.
Some people attach great meaning to being able to own a house. They seem to feel as if this is some great liberation over renting. Of course, I know that is a false assumption. They have switched from one landlord (a person or company) to another (the mortgage company/bank) that simply doesn't do maintenance. Insurance is required (not for renters), property taxes must be paid, and when things break YOU must pay to fix it--even if the house is totally paid for and no mortgage exists, there is still a monthly cost to living aside from utilities and food that will never go away.
You don't like the neighbors in an apartment or other rental, you leave. Big deal. You don't like them in a house, you have a problem. If you've not lived there long enough to build some good equity, moving entails the loss of thousands of dollars that is likely not affordable. It also requires somewhere to move TO, which depending on other factors such as work and school might be unworkable.
Of course, some people buy and own trailers, apartments, duplexes, townhouses, villas, or condos, so for THEM "home" does NOT mean house.
My contention quite simply is that your usage of "home" was imprecise when you meant a single-family standalone dwelling under the dual ownership of yourself and a mortgage-lending institution ie house.
I called it home.
Your mistake is in attaching an extraneous emotional content to a word and then expecting everyone to understand this in its proper context, without realizing that for many of us a word is a word. I know people who have NEVER "owned" a place in which to dwell, but have solely rented for decades. If I were to posit to them that they don't have a home, they would refute you utterly.
Some people attach great meaning to being able to own a house. They seem to feel as if this is some great liberation over renting. Of course, I know that is a false assumption. They have switched from one landlord (a person or company) to another (the mortgage company/bank) that simply doesn't do maintenance. Insurance is required (not for renters), property taxes must be paid, and when things break YOU must pay to fix it--even if the house is totally paid for and no mortgage exists, there is still a monthly cost to living aside from utilities and food that will never go away.
You don't like the neighbors in an apartment or other rental, you leave. Big deal. You don't like them in a house, you have a problem. If you've not lived there long enough to build some good equity, moving entails the loss of thousands of dollars that is likely not affordable. It also requires somewhere to move TO, which depending on other factors such as work and school might be unworkable.
Of course, some people buy and own trailers, apartments, duplexes, townhouses, villas, or condos, so for THEM "home" does NOT mean house.
My contention quite simply is that your usage of "home" was imprecise when you meant a single-family standalone dwelling under the dual ownership of yourself and a mortgage-lending institution ie house.
The Jedi Master
blah blah blah blah ! SEMANTICS. You're still caught in the conundrum of differing definitions between two people, and that is what this silly, rather ridiculous argument boils down to. I never expected you, nor anyone to adopt my definition of home, but simply understand my use of the word in the context I employed it. I don't like being chastized over petty, meaningless twistings of phrase. Now, I'm sure, you were just joking and normally I don't mind being on the receiving end of a good guffaw, but in this instance I must really object.
Is your definition of "house" correct? Of course it is. Everyone who buys a house better be smart enough to realize the pros and cons of doing so, that ownership, to some degree, is really a phisad put up by mortgagers.
Is your definition of "home" correct? Of course it is! But, not for me. I would'nt and have'nt applied your definition of home to my personal life ever. You draw contention with my personal definition, in a context that was meant to be light hearted, and despite your assertion, generally understood by most. By the fact that you could establish an argument that I was "confused," you obviously knew what I meant, malaprop or otherwise.
Again, many would agree that my definition of home is a sound one. Can a person argue the definition? Of course, we live in a postmodern era, where most if not all words are subject to scrutinization and debate, not to mention twisting, stretching, and utterly breaking. Therefore, there is room for your definition, certainly. But, my contention is there is also room for mine, especially since most people understood my meaning, which is the most accurate and pragmatic way to determine the use and definition of any word; that is, that your audience understands your meaning in using the word in a particular context.
In short, a word in never just a word. Most words have more than one valid meaning, and for most, words carry subtle meanings by way of diction, dialect, tone. Some words have a vastly different meaning when compared to their synonmous conterparts, especially in a given context.
Well, we could debate the issue until doomsday, I've known scholars who are in the process of doing so; frankly, I don't want to be one of them. I find linquistics to be tedious. I suppose we should just agree to disagree. :roll:
Is your definition of "house" correct? Of course it is. Everyone who buys a house better be smart enough to realize the pros and cons of doing so, that ownership, to some degree, is really a phisad put up by mortgagers.
Is your definition of "home" correct? Of course it is! But, not for me. I would'nt and have'nt applied your definition of home to my personal life ever. You draw contention with my personal definition, in a context that was meant to be light hearted, and despite your assertion, generally understood by most. By the fact that you could establish an argument that I was "confused," you obviously knew what I meant, malaprop or otherwise.
Again, many would agree that my definition of home is a sound one. Can a person argue the definition? Of course, we live in a postmodern era, where most if not all words are subject to scrutinization and debate, not to mention twisting, stretching, and utterly breaking. Therefore, there is room for your definition, certainly. But, my contention is there is also room for mine, especially since most people understood my meaning, which is the most accurate and pragmatic way to determine the use and definition of any word; that is, that your audience understands your meaning in using the word in a particular context.
In short, a word in never just a word. Most words have more than one valid meaning, and for most, words carry subtle meanings by way of diction, dialect, tone. Some words have a vastly different meaning when compared to their synonmous conterparts, especially in a given context.
Well, we could debate the issue until doomsday, I've known scholars who are in the process of doing so; frankly, I don't want to be one of them. I find linquistics to be tedious. I suppose we should just agree to disagree. :roll: