Malin, i think the Poll Tax is a good example of the will of the British people overturning unpopular Govt policy. Also, if one party implemented measures to commit us more to the EU and it was not to the liking of the British people, there is no doubt the other major party (most likely the Tories in the current climate, given their disdain of Europe) would make it part of their Manifesto to pull the UK back out. This is just my opinion tho, there is no way to know for sure.
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Glas, We still pay the "Poll Tax" only now it's called "Council Tax" or "Community Tax".
As soon as a goverment passes something that is unpopular with the general public any succeeding Goverment will always have a good reason not to change it back.
Just remember Politicians are just like babies, they're both full of shit and need changing often.
Malin
As soon as a goverment passes something that is unpopular with the general public any succeeding Goverment will always have a good reason not to change it back.
Just remember Politicians are just like babies, they're both full of shit and need changing often.
Malin
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Yeah we still have local charges like the Community Charge, but this is completely different from the Poll Tax. It is much more fairer and also is a tax on households (which is only fair as it is to pay for services incurred by households, like refuse collection etc) whereas the Poll Tax was levied on all individuals over a certain age and it was also a very badly run tax.
There wasnt the 'can pay won't pay' campaigns for nothing, it was done on a point of principle because the tax was so unfair and it was the actions of the British public which got this changed and resulted in the much more fairer Community Charge.
I agree politicians are full of shit, i suppose like many things they are a necessary evil. A case in point is the current firefighters strike. My personal opinion is the firefighters have gone too far over this now and they must relax their demands. However to hear a complete tosser like John bloody Prescott preach to them, when he is happy to grant himself and his fellow MPs/Minister whacking great rises and expense accounts more than double my own salary, is totally galling. I'd love to ram one of his luxury Jaguars up his arse and it is because of the actions of people like him (and any other MP who accepts the exorbitant rises) that professions like the Fire Service then look at things and think to themselves 'why arent we getting rises like this?'
Regardless, i dont think it would be possible for a UK Govt to give up our sovreignty to the EU without a referendum, and there is no way whatsoever the British public would agree to such a move under any circumstances.
Glas
There wasnt the 'can pay won't pay' campaigns for nothing, it was done on a point of principle because the tax was so unfair and it was the actions of the British public which got this changed and resulted in the much more fairer Community Charge.
I agree politicians are full of shit, i suppose like many things they are a necessary evil. A case in point is the current firefighters strike. My personal opinion is the firefighters have gone too far over this now and they must relax their demands. However to hear a complete tosser like John bloody Prescott preach to them, when he is happy to grant himself and his fellow MPs/Minister whacking great rises and expense accounts more than double my own salary, is totally galling. I'd love to ram one of his luxury Jaguars up his arse and it is because of the actions of people like him (and any other MP who accepts the exorbitant rises) that professions like the Fire Service then look at things and think to themselves 'why arent we getting rises like this?'
Regardless, i dont think it would be possible for a UK Govt to give up our sovreignty to the EU without a referendum, and there is no way whatsoever the British public would agree to such a move under any circumstances.
Glas
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Thanks Mal, thas just what i wanted to get clarified in my head, where the EU is going and more or less the roles of the national goverments in all that. Again sorry for the paranoid view i gave about the France and Germany thingy....thought i still belive its partialy true 
. Its amazing how the european nations with so diferent languages, cultures and history can get s union of sorts going and my brothers in latin america(q pasa con ustedes hermanos??) that share language a lot of history and would benefit more(IMO) from a union the even europe cant do it...incredible.
I agree with Glas, i would be surprised to see the UK surrendering its soveranity to the EU...just integrating to a point and reserving the right for acting as is sees fit for the benefit of the british people...you can still get unrestricted passage,trade and common currency with national treaties, not only by joining.
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. Its amazing how the european nations with so diferent languages, cultures and history can get s union of sorts going and my brothers in latin america(q pasa con ustedes hermanos??) that share language a lot of history and would benefit more(IMO) from a union the even europe cant do it...incredible.I agree with Glas, i would be surprised to see the UK surrendering its soveranity to the EU...just integrating to a point and reserving the right for acting as is sees fit for the benefit of the british people...you can still get unrestricted passage,trade and common currency with national treaties, not only by joining.
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"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as
night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt"
Sun Tzu
The Art of War, Standard year circa 500 B.C.
On the subject of Britain giving up it's soveranity, again it's the politicians who keep pushing for it. To give you some recent examples of how they are doing this:
Gibralter, the goverment called for a referendum on giving control of Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Vote failed so now the Goverment is trying to figure out another way to do it because they have already agreed with the Spanish goverment to do it.
The Monarchy, in light of recent events certain politicians (From now on politicians will be referred to as "arseholes") have called for a review of the Monarchy in that it should be structured upon more "European Lines"
Certain Arseholes decided that Scotland was no longer part of the UK and should be self governing, after getting this passed alot of money was wasted in creating another bunch of Arseholes in Scotland who are just as useless as the ones in England. Similar attempts by Arseholes was tried in Wales but failed because it was "shag a sheep" season.
It has been suggested by some Arseholes that the Falklands should be handed back to Argentina, luckily some other Arseholes realised in time this was not a good idea. (I.e. they'd get sacked).
Arseholes again recently handed backed Hong Kong to other more serious minded Arseholes.
I could probably quote you several more situations created and decided by Arseholes but I need a coffee and a smoke currently.
Malin
Gibralter, the goverment called for a referendum on giving control of Gibraltar back to the Spanish. Vote failed so now the Goverment is trying to figure out another way to do it because they have already agreed with the Spanish goverment to do it.
The Monarchy, in light of recent events certain politicians (From now on politicians will be referred to as "arseholes") have called for a review of the Monarchy in that it should be structured upon more "European Lines"
Certain Arseholes decided that Scotland was no longer part of the UK and should be self governing, after getting this passed alot of money was wasted in creating another bunch of Arseholes in Scotland who are just as useless as the ones in England. Similar attempts by Arseholes was tried in Wales but failed because it was "shag a sheep" season.
It has been suggested by some Arseholes that the Falklands should be handed back to Argentina, luckily some other Arseholes realised in time this was not a good idea. (I.e. they'd get sacked).
Arseholes again recently handed backed Hong Kong to other more serious minded Arseholes.
I could probably quote you several more situations created and decided by Arseholes but I need a coffee and a smoke currently.
Malin
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I did not realise how much I had in common with my old brother in arms Malin until BB started this post/thread/volume/trilogy. Without a word spoken we have both decided on the same name for politicians! Although I have a strange feeling that others in this unit also use that name for politicians.
The Welsh populace were asked who they would like as leader of their enforced independence. The Taffs chose their man. Mr Blair said 'nope you are not having him, you can have my mate, and yes man instead'. And the 'independent' Welsh were lumbered. Democracy in action.
Linguistics note: The English 'arsehole' is similar to the American 'asshole' but is usually used with more venom.
The Welsh populace were asked who they would like as leader of their enforced independence. The Taffs chose their man. Mr Blair said 'nope you are not having him, you can have my mate, and yes man instead'. And the 'independent' Welsh were lumbered. Democracy in action.
Linguistics note: The English 'arsehole' is similar to the American 'asshole' but is usually used with more venom.
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