of a Bushmaster flattop AR15!
It arrived today and being as I havent fired anything other than a shotgun in over 15 years, this thing is a little intemidating, but I am looking forward to the challenge. I have 400 rounds of lake city (M885) 5.56 to run thru it this weekend...should be fun!
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I'd love to see what you're getting. When I get back to the states I have every intention of getting an AR-15. I want to make it as close to an M-16A2 as possible; basically to the point where the only different is the lower receiver having a safe and semi vs. safe semi and burst.
Good training for me; but I wouldn't mind having one or more different upper receivers to play with.
Good training for me; but I wouldn't mind having one or more different upper receivers to play with.
5.56 mm
5.56mm round does not kick anything compared to a 30-30. An M-16 (and in all likliehood the AR-15 which is the civilian version of) have very very little in the way of recoil.
The Buffer Spring in the M-16A2, makes it sound like a pop gun when the bolt assembly moves back to eject the round. Obviously you can't hear the spring over the gunpowder if your head isn't up next to the rifle firing it yourself so it sounds a little more intimidating as a bystander.
I'm not even sure if an AR-15 uses a 5.56mm or .223 round; most civilian weapons use the .223 round which is very similar but not identical. Sticking 5.56mm rounds in a civilian weapon is not a good idea. It should work; the problem though is the keyword SHOULD. Conversely shoving .223 rounds in NATO weapons is safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56_mm_NATO
And as a side not if you can get your hands on some M856 rounds night fire is very cool. The red streaks through the air are like a star wars laser show or something. I don't know if they are available to civilians though.
The Buffer Spring in the M-16A2, makes it sound like a pop gun when the bolt assembly moves back to eject the round. Obviously you can't hear the spring over the gunpowder if your head isn't up next to the rifle firing it yourself so it sounds a little more intimidating as a bystander.
I'm not even sure if an AR-15 uses a 5.56mm or .223 round; most civilian weapons use the .223 round which is very similar but not identical. Sticking 5.56mm rounds in a civilian weapon is not a good idea. It should work; the problem though is the keyword SHOULD. Conversely shoving .223 rounds in NATO weapons is safe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56_mm_NATO
And as a side not if you can get your hands on some M856 rounds night fire is very cool. The red streaks through the air are like a star wars laser show or something. I don't know if they are available to civilians though.
The only thing i've fired other than a shotggun is a GP cadet rifle, which as i understand it, is the SA80 minus the parts required to enable full auto, so it's essentially a bolt action rifle. Was good fun on the ranges when i was in the cadets though...never got to use the LSW which was the only full auto equipped weapon we had.
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Nothing...
I've fired M203 Grenade launchers, M249's M16A2's, M240G's, and some various other rifles, shotguns, hand guns, and what have you.
But nothing gets the blood rushing like having a grenade strapped to your gear, pulling it out, pulling the safety clip, the safety pin, and holding that live grenade with safety pin removed before throwing it.
It's like holding a real live pile of death making in your hand.
But nothing gets the blood rushing like having a grenade strapped to your gear, pulling it out, pulling the safety clip, the safety pin, and holding that live grenade with safety pin removed before throwing it.
It's like holding a real live pile of death making in your hand.
Let me tell you Hudson, there is no-one more nervous when someone throws their first grenade, than the instructor! :shock: But over time you seem to manage to show an air of confidence - even when they drop the bloody thing! :lol:
"Okay son, no problem. Just pick it up and lob it over the wall . . . . . ":roll: :lol:
"Okay son, no problem. Just pick it up and lob it over the wall . . . . . ":roll: :lol:
It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
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ROTFLMAO!! I can imagine myself being quite nervous if I had to throw a grenade in real life.KODIAK wrote:Let me tell you Hudson, there is no-one more nervous when someone throws their first grenade, than the instructor! :shock: But over time you seem to manage to show an air of confidence - even when they drop the bloody thing! :lol:
"Okay son, no problem. Just pick it up and lob it over the wall . . . . . ":roll: :lol:
I think the German "potato masher" grenade is still the coolest looking grenade of all time. :lol:
I have learned from experience that a modicum of snuff can be most efficacious - Baron Munchausen
*Hate!* You lucky SoB!! I would love to have that rifle.
Throwing live grenades is not as easy as one may think. One tends to get very nervous when you actually SEE what a grenade can do. I haven't seen it happen, but I have heard stories about recruits that would throw the pin and hold the grenade. :shock: Thankfully, behind the grenade range pit, there is an emergency "duck and cover" pit (behind the front firing line). If that was to happen in a combat situation, run like a MFer and pray.
Throwing live grenades is not as easy as one may think. One tends to get very nervous when you actually SEE what a grenade can do. I haven't seen it happen, but I have heard stories about recruits that would throw the pin and hold the grenade. :shock: Thankfully, behind the grenade range pit, there is an emergency "duck and cover" pit (behind the front firing line). If that was to happen in a combat situation, run like a MFer and pray.
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pretty sure the ar-15 uses the 5.56, not .223.
and Buff - like Hudson says the kick is nothing like one of your shotguns... make sure you learn to site the weapon correctly and use breathing control. it is very accurate in the realm of battle rifles.
if you want a couple of intimidating rifles, i have a couple...
and Buff - like Hudson says the kick is nothing like one of your shotguns... make sure you learn to site the weapon correctly and use breathing control. it is very accurate in the realm of battle rifles.
if you want a couple of intimidating rifles, i have a couple...
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Mine (and all Bushys for that matter) is chambered in 5.56mm Nato but Hudson is correct in that .223 rem. will work fine. Oh and by intimidating I ment all the shit you have to do to break it down....not like my old .243 bolt action.
I did kinda screw up and ordered a Carbon-fiber upper and lower receiver...only after the fact, did I read some not to good stuff about them. Time will tell in that reguard. Because my dad is a FFL, getting a mil-spec upper and lower is not going to be any problem and I can get them at cost (sorry Steel)
This is the AR I bought:
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carb ... 16m4ft.asp
Steel, besides being a FFL, my dad is also a dedicated bench-rest shooter. I'll dig up a pic of his Unlimited bench gun (I call it a teflon space-gun) that makes really, really little holes in paper. We are heading out to the range sat. to break the gun in and get it zero'd. BM says that it takes about 100+ rounds to break the barrel in (chrome lined, 1 in 9 twist). So when I ordered the gun I also go a good deal on some Federal .223 for....about 4 bucks a box/20. This is good factory Remington brass. But......thinking I need some extra, I was at Waly-World-Mart buying 9 volts (for my PC mic) and I stopped over at the ammo section. I see they have Winchester .223 white box for 6.80 a box/20 but only 2 boxes on the shelf. I asked the kid if he had any more and he looked and said he had 6 more boxes...."How many do you want?" I replied "All of them" I swear he almost called security.
So....I'll do my ammo shopping online for my fun stuff. I ordered...heh...800 rds of 223 / 5.56 M855 GREEN TIP AMMO - 62 GRAIN
LAKE CITY WITH STEEL PENETRATOR for $250. That should keep me in plinking ammo for now. I plan on loading my own using Lapua brass once I find a load I like. My dad swears by Lapua brass as it's what he shoots in all his bench guns.
I did kinda screw up and ordered a Carbon-fiber upper and lower receiver...only after the fact, did I read some not to good stuff about them. Time will tell in that reguard. Because my dad is a FFL, getting a mil-spec upper and lower is not going to be any problem and I can get them at cost (sorry Steel)
This is the AR I bought:
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/Carb ... 16m4ft.asp
Steel, besides being a FFL, my dad is also a dedicated bench-rest shooter. I'll dig up a pic of his Unlimited bench gun (I call it a teflon space-gun) that makes really, really little holes in paper. We are heading out to the range sat. to break the gun in and get it zero'd. BM says that it takes about 100+ rounds to break the barrel in (chrome lined, 1 in 9 twist). So when I ordered the gun I also go a good deal on some Federal .223 for....about 4 bucks a box/20. This is good factory Remington brass. But......thinking I need some extra, I was at Waly-World-Mart buying 9 volts (for my PC mic) and I stopped over at the ammo section. I see they have Winchester .223 white box for 6.80 a box/20 but only 2 boxes on the shelf. I asked the kid if he had any more and he looked and said he had 6 more boxes...."How many do you want?" I replied "All of them" I swear he almost called security.
So....I'll do my ammo shopping online for my fun stuff. I ordered...heh...800 rds of 223 / 5.56 M855 GREEN TIP AMMO - 62 GRAIN
LAKE CITY WITH STEEL PENETRATOR for $250. That should keep me in plinking ammo for now. I plan on loading my own using Lapua brass once I find a load I like. My dad swears by Lapua brass as it's what he shoots in all his bench guns.
if you are going to reload you may have an issue with the .223. shooting it is fine, but if it is like the 7.62x51 nato and the .308, the civilian case could be expanded/stressed after shooting and potentially be risky to reload. the difference in the latter pair is the thickness of the case itself, external dimensions are the same. the tolerence on military battle rifles is greater than that on hunting rifles (which also have a LOT less wear) and the chamber will potentially allow the thinner walled case of the .308 to expand as mentioned above.
you still suck, BTW!!!
you still suck, BTW!!!
Helmut
Intimidating weapons? . . . . . well I'd say a weapon that qualifies is the Belgian FN (more commonly referred to as the SLR - Self Loading Rifle to Brits) is 7.62mm NATO. Renowned for putting holes through (not in) engine blocks, brick walls and knocking elephants down. 
Also reputed to be capable of 'shattering' the skeletal structure of a human when struck inside 100 yds due to the transfer of kinetic energy. For those who don't understand that, it's basically instant death, even if struck in the leg or shoulder say. Please note I am not saying it's the only weapon capable of such, but it does it on a more regular basis. Have to say, apart from the inconvenience of the longer barrel, it was a much more reliable and accurate weapon than the SA80, even with a poxy SUSAT!
Also on the distinguished list goes the GPMG, LMG, Browning .50Cal. :lol:
But those are all older generation weapons now.
Also reputed to be capable of 'shattering' the skeletal structure of a human when struck inside 100 yds due to the transfer of kinetic energy. For those who don't understand that, it's basically instant death, even if struck in the leg or shoulder say. Please note I am not saying it's the only weapon capable of such, but it does it on a more regular basis. Have to say, apart from the inconvenience of the longer barrel, it was a much more reliable and accurate weapon than the SA80, even with a poxy SUSAT!Also on the distinguished list goes the GPMG, LMG, Browning .50Cal. :lol:
But those are all older generation weapons now.
It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
20 secs to strip weapon blindfolded, 30 secs to re-assemble including post assembly operational checks. I think my personal best was 9secs down and about 16 secs up. The one bit that you either got right or didn't for a fast time was the working parts cover. But there was more fun to be had doing it with a GPMG. :lol: We did most of our classroom work on 30metre indoor range - they'd tell you to strip the weapons down, switch the lights off, and kick the parts around the room. And then still expect you to find your own serial numbers! It was stupid, but a good laugh just the same. But it would surprise you how often you actually found the correct parts eventually. The tolerances of each part were close enough that you could feel the movement between the various parts wasn't right for your weapon. Pretty funny when you look back at it all.
The one bit that you either got right or didn't for a fast time was the working parts cover. But there was more fun to be had doing it with a GPMG. :lol: We did most of our classroom work on 30metre indoor range - they'd tell you to strip the weapons down, switch the lights off, and kick the parts around the room. And then still expect you to find your own serial numbers! It was stupid, but a good laugh just the same. But it would surprise you how often you actually found the correct parts eventually. The tolerances of each part were close enough that you could feel the movement between the various parts wasn't right for your weapon. Pretty funny when you look back at it all.It is not the technique that wins a fight, but the more furious mind - Kodiak WOF
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
You are stuck on stupid. I'm not going to answer that question! - Gen Honore, New Orleans Sep 05
