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VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 11 Jan 2007, 06:32

ut2007, thats the BASTERD of a game that I am upgrading for. Last pc was because my athlon 650 classic could not handle C&C generals. It would run but was choppy as all hell. Now its UT2007 lol. But I am waiting on the 65mn chips. and Steel, you may be right but then gain a LOT of people run dx7 instead of 9 and still get better results when it comes to speed. So hey may get away with it. But ya Buff I figured the one card you sleeted can handle DX10, you may want to look into that. good example of this is my x800 which is relay only a little over 1 year old and not able to run the rainbow six veges game. I believe th Developers are lazy making a lot of rather new cards not able to play the game. It also means the game well not make near as much cash as it could have as like me, many said they an't upgrading for it.

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 11 Jan 2007, 10:58

Well, I'm looking at the ASUS EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M GeForce 8800GTS 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card

the thing that has be confused is...it requires Minimum 400W or greater system power supply (with 12V current rating of 26A)

all I can find are 12v at 24A max. Most are 18A. But is this calculated across multi 12V rails? so a psu with 2-12v rails at 18A = 36A?

I am most confused.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 11 Jan 2007, 11:07

I am betting a 24A would hold its own with that video card. But I think Steel is the one to question on that one. Tho that is one beast of a video card and even comes with a copy of GRAW lol

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » 11 Jan 2007, 12:02

you have to look at the details of the power supplies - go to the power supply manufacturers sites...

and yes, you have to look at what each rail can provide.

the seasonic ss600ht will work, i am using that on my newly built pc with an 8800gtx.

you might check bfg - lifetime warranty. not sure what asus does, but bfg is video only - asus makes a LOT of stuff...

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 11 Jan 2007, 12:33

Steel, I guess what I'm asking is if a psu has 2-12v rails...do you add those together for the total amperage rating? I looked a a ton of psu's over lunch, and none had over a 12V24A single rail, and most had 12V18A on a single rail

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 11 Jan 2007, 12:35

lol....I guess I needed to actually read what you wrote there.....so you cant add multi rails together.....figures Asus would put a power requirment on their card that few/nobody can reach yet

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 11 Jan 2007, 12:47

ok, someone read this and tell me what it sounds like to you........

BFGR88640GTSE requirements:
PCI Express-compliant motherboard with one vacant PCI Express x16 slot
400W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more(Minimum system power requirement based on a standard PC configured with an Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 processor)
One 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connectors
-or-
Two 4-pin Molex supplementary power connectors

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 11 Jan 2007, 13:00

ok to me it sound like they are talking combined amp's of 2 rails so 13 amps per rail. So sounds liek they are adding the am's per rail number together but relay that number meas little as Steel already explained. But I know I am wrong, but that wording SUCKS.

I relay don't see a video card requiring 26 amps to run tho relay. Thats a LARGE amount of amps, hell you only get 15 form a wall outlet. I know I know the power supply changes the amp's but still seams rather high. and remember amp's is what kills, so having that many amp's on one component seams well rather bad.

BlackHawk*K · Post by **BlackHawk*K** » 11 Jan 2007, 15:52

i use thermaltake PSU myself. seems realy reliable.
not sure if your interested but they have a whole line of specialty and regular PSUs on their site with specs.

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/P ... _index.asp

maybe there is something there that might do the trick Buff.

edit- also look at the Super Talent (Logisys) PS550AC
i couldnt find a web site, but you should be able to find someone selling it threw google, that will provide the specs as well.

Nemisis · Post by **Nemisis** » 11 Jan 2007, 18:59

My 2 cents.

I have both Seagate and WD drives in my now dating system.

The seagate is a 5 year old 80 Gig one that i use for all my documents and games addons and all my junk basically and has done me proud without a single problem since i got it.

The WD is a 10,000 RPM 74 gig Raptor that Windows is installed on and it was this purchase that really boosted my PC speed, i built my sysytem staring with an AMD XP 1900 CPU and updated this to a XP-M 2500 with new motherboard and it is overclocked to run at XP 3400 speeds if such a CPU existed and has been doing so without any probs since and obviously this improved my system speed, I then got a ATI 9800 PRO and that also upped my speed, but the raptor dive made an incredible difference to the speed of my PC and on a fresh install of XP i can shut down and start up in under 30 Secs! and it hasn't faltered in any way.

So both have proven their worth to me and my next buy will be another Raptor, though simply for the speed benefits.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » 11 Jan 2007, 20:43

they are looking for combined 26 amps at 12v... makes no sense though as other stuff pulles 12v. perhaps they are figuring that anything that can put out a total of 26 amps of 12v is good enough for the card.

the seasonic i mentioned or an antec neo 500 or better would be fine... bioth are quite and are reliable. if you get something for sli capability, any will do really.

Veg,
they are looking at what you can do total wattage, and how many amps you can pull on a particular line. remember a household outlet with a 15 amp breaker is allowing up to 1650 watts... the 12v rail(s) at 26 amps is allowing 312 watts.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 12 Jan 2007, 06:48

Steel that I know lol.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 16 Jan 2007, 07:25

So any new details on the video card/Power supply issue. Just curious as I may have that issue in the future. Also any other changed and such.

Seagate rules

sorry had to

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 16 Jan 2007, 09:55

OK, Here is what I figured out after looking at a lot of PSU manufacturers....

The Nvidia 8 series cards are power hogs, they are essentially the 8 series version of the 7950x2 dual cards, I think. They have the same layout as the dual cards....who knows....but they are power hogs. Nvidia wants a +12V, 26A min. power connection for these cards. Here is what I figured out.

That requirement means they want one +12V 6/8pin connection thats a min. 26A. If you were wanting to run your 8 series in SLI, you would need 2 +12V-26A plugs. and very few PSU's have 1 much less 2 +12V,26A plugs. I found that my initial PSU that I wanted meets the min requirment for 26A on 1 plug and is 680 watts. I did find a Thermaltake PSU at 800w and had 2 +12V,30A plugs.....but it was $258.

So, in the end, when I looked at the cost of a 8 series card and the power requirements for such and saw it added $400 to my build, I decided that was beyond what I wanted to do at this time. Right now I'm looking at around $1700 total with shipping and thats just over what my orininal budget was so....I'm going with a 7950gtx.

Hope all that made sense......

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 16 Jan 2007, 10:45

btw: I have the Nine-hundred case. I really like it, although it's not as big as my last full-tower case. It's not as noisy as I thought it would be, the bigger fans are quieter. The PSU at the bottom was different, but it worked out ok, just make sure the PSU wires are long enough to read the mobo power headers. my 8-pin was tight.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 16 Jan 2007, 10:58

Well 2 thigns

1 you can ALWAYs upgrade later on

2 that card may not be the top dog but dam it should run any game coming out in the next 3 years or so. I always buy a little below top dog meaning if the best card 500 I ususlay end up with he 250$ card.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 16 Jan 2007, 11:05

that card will never run a DX10-only game. I'd be willing to bet there will be at least one dx10-only game in the next 3 years. Aside from that, Veg, you're probably right.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 16 Jan 2007, 11:36

so the 8 nvidia series support direct x 10. and Also note any game maker who makes a direct x 10 only game any time soon is a moron as Microsoft apparently mailing direct X 10 only windows vista computable. another of M$ dumb ideas as from what I can gather, there is NO one who is jumping to upgrade to this. Especially there office 2007 system.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 16 Jan 2007, 12:24

hey veg, as someone with your experience must know: Just because something is dumb, doesn't mean that they won't do it. Witness the SM3-only R6:Vegas.

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 16 Jan 2007, 12:32

Yea, that 8 pin CPU power is going to be not fun to get to on this board. But if need be, i can splice it. I knew all that R/C car racing would come in handy at some point.

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