http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1640/159/
Gives a broad overview of points that are a pain in vistas license argument. This vista CRAP hits tomrow and considering that the thing could delete programs it thinks are high risk without asking. M$ has also has a release date for the first service pack this year which scares me as the OS is not even out yet and they are already developing the service pack. Tells me the product they are shipping is defective before we even get it. Its like selling a brand new car full price but knowing full well that the head gaskets need to be replaced, in the end, it just ticks people off.
I an't touching this with a 20 foot pole until they fix. I hvae heard Direct X 10 may be Vista only, but I can bet you that it will make it for XP, so hey guys and girls trust me, you really do not want to change over any time soon.
for those that do not know, Vista hits us tomorrow, so I will be looking for fun articles and such that show people having issues with this, and hey even ones that show success f there are any. but I have a feeling that over the next few months you will see a LARGE backlash against M$ because of vista.
Good Artical on vista's user licence
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I don't know all that much about legalese and licensing, most of those licensing provisions talked about in that article are also true of WinXP/Win2K. As to the DRM/"Premium Content", those limitations are also true of stand-alone HD-DVD/BD Players -- they must use a specific connector and insure those same provisions or they too will degrade the picture quality when sent to a hi-def set.
That being said, it's like any new technology, there will be those that want to use it right away (hell, they've been beta testing it for over a year) and there will be those (like my parents) who won't get it until their WinXP machine is no longer functional and they have to buy a new machine. Most of us are probably somewhere in between -- geeks just can't resist a shiny new piece of software for very long, even if it's from MS.
That being said, it's like any new technology, there will be those that want to use it right away (hell, they've been beta testing it for over a year) and there will be those (like my parents) who won't get it until their WinXP machine is no longer functional and they have to buy a new machine. Most of us are probably somewhere in between -- geeks just can't resist a shiny new piece of software for very long, even if it's from MS.
Silence is golden - Duct Tape is silver
Um windows XP can't del programs o its own, and well not lower video quality because it sees what it considers non MS aproved hardwae. Basiclay its screwing up everyone to get the people who are stealing it. and hey I have legal versions and I don't wan tto deal with crap. and trust me there is absolutelay no new features in Vista, everything has been seen before, nothing stands out as a GRET feature. I am just disapointed that they are willing to SCREW customers beyond all even tho they bought it. Hell one issue they had to take out of the licence becaus eof the backlash was that you where only allowed 2 major upgradeds. Um what is a major upgrade, a cpu, video card da da da. But after 2, then the licence was invalid. Um so I cna't even upgrade a pc, but the backlash was massive on that one. But its not just the licence, its how vista can screw you. OOPS mistake, we deleated 5 of your programs and several games, hope you never had any saved games in there. How oftion will this happen, I am betting oftion enough that MS has to change thigns as lets say if GM starts havig software whiped on say 1 in 20 pc's. Thats not somthing that any major companey will take, and will say screw you, we can move to a diffrent os. And it has happaned, MS loyal customers have been ticked off enough to move to Linux, or Mac.
And I am a GEEK to the core, and any geek can tell you, they are not excited about Vista. I honestlay have not found anyone who is jumping for jow for Vista, which is odd as usualy there are people who defend it and want it, even with XP. But with Vista, no one relay wants it, but it wil be shoved down our twind pipes aneway.
And a joke my father sent me today actulay sumes up MS
As many people have probably heard by now, Bill Gates built a new home,
a VERY large home, 35 garages, several buildings and so on. However, the
problems he's had with the house are much less known. The following is
an excerpt from a conversation Bill had with his new home contractors:
Bill: There are a few issues we need to discuss
Contractor: Ah, you have our basic support option. Calls are free for
the first 90 days and a $75 call thereafter. Okay?
Bill: Uh, yeah. The first issue is the living room. We think it's a
little smaller than we anticipated.
Contractor: Yeah, some compromises were made to have it out by the
release date.
Bill: We won't be able to fit all our furniture in there.
Contractor: Well, you have two options. You can purchase a new, larger
living room. Or you can use a stacker.
Bill: Stacker?
Contractor: Yeah, it allows you to fit twice as much furniture into the
living room. By stacking it, of course, you put the entertainment center
on the couch, the chairs on the table, etc. You leave an empty spot, so
that when you want to use some furniture, you can unstack what you need
and put it back when you're done.
Bill: Uh, I dunno... Issue two. The second issue is the light fixtures.
The light bulbs we brought with us from our old house don't fit. The
threads run the wrong way.
Contractor: Oh, that's a feature! The bulbs you have aren't plug and
play. You'll have to upgrade to new bulbs.
Bill: And the electrical outlets? The holes are round instead of
rectangular. How do I fix that?
Contractor: That's another feature designed with the customer in mind.
Just uninstall and reinstall the electrical system.
Bill: Your kidding!?!
Contractor: Nope, it's the only way.
Bill: (Sighing) Well, I have one last problem. Sometimes when I have
guests, someone will flush the toilet and it won't stop. The water
pressure drops so low that the showers don't work.
Contractor: That's a resource leakage problem. One fixture is failing to
terminate and is hogging the resource, preventing other fixtures from
accessing.
Bill: And how do I fix that?
Contractor: Well, after each flush, you all need to exit the house, turn
off the water at the street, turn it back on, reenter the house. Then
you can get back to work.
Bill: That's the last straw! What kind of product are you selling me?
Contractor: Hey, if you don't like it, nobody made you buy it.
Bill: And when will it be fixed?
Contractor: Oh, in the next house, which we'll be ready to release next
year. Actually it was due out this year, but we've had some delays...
Sound familiar.....
And I am a GEEK to the core, and any geek can tell you, they are not excited about Vista. I honestlay have not found anyone who is jumping for jow for Vista, which is odd as usualy there are people who defend it and want it, even with XP. But with Vista, no one relay wants it, but it wil be shoved down our twind pipes aneway.
And a joke my father sent me today actulay sumes up MS
As many people have probably heard by now, Bill Gates built a new home,
a VERY large home, 35 garages, several buildings and so on. However, the
problems he's had with the house are much less known. The following is
an excerpt from a conversation Bill had with his new home contractors:
Bill: There are a few issues we need to discuss
Contractor: Ah, you have our basic support option. Calls are free for
the first 90 days and a $75 call thereafter. Okay?
Bill: Uh, yeah. The first issue is the living room. We think it's a
little smaller than we anticipated.
Contractor: Yeah, some compromises were made to have it out by the
release date.
Bill: We won't be able to fit all our furniture in there.
Contractor: Well, you have two options. You can purchase a new, larger
living room. Or you can use a stacker.
Bill: Stacker?
Contractor: Yeah, it allows you to fit twice as much furniture into the
living room. By stacking it, of course, you put the entertainment center
on the couch, the chairs on the table, etc. You leave an empty spot, so
that when you want to use some furniture, you can unstack what you need
and put it back when you're done.
Bill: Uh, I dunno... Issue two. The second issue is the light fixtures.
The light bulbs we brought with us from our old house don't fit. The
threads run the wrong way.
Contractor: Oh, that's a feature! The bulbs you have aren't plug and
play. You'll have to upgrade to new bulbs.
Bill: And the electrical outlets? The holes are round instead of
rectangular. How do I fix that?
Contractor: That's another feature designed with the customer in mind.
Just uninstall and reinstall the electrical system.
Bill: Your kidding!?!
Contractor: Nope, it's the only way.
Bill: (Sighing) Well, I have one last problem. Sometimes when I have
guests, someone will flush the toilet and it won't stop. The water
pressure drops so low that the showers don't work.
Contractor: That's a resource leakage problem. One fixture is failing to
terminate and is hogging the resource, preventing other fixtures from
accessing.
Bill: And how do I fix that?
Contractor: Well, after each flush, you all need to exit the house, turn
off the water at the street, turn it back on, reenter the house. Then
you can get back to work.
Bill: That's the last straw! What kind of product are you selling me?
Contractor: Hey, if you don't like it, nobody made you buy it.
Bill: And when will it be fixed?
Contractor: Oh, in the next house, which we'll be ready to release next
year. Actually it was due out this year, but we've had some delays...
Sound familiar.....
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its funny as a general contractor's help. ( meaning i do everything but spend my money so am protected against large losses/gains and do bids)
ppl would absolutly FREAK OUT if you tried something like that. we have even had clients to make us leave the unused nails/screws becuse THEY paid for em. ( in truth the complany pays for em and any EXTRA nails are considered profit and used on the next job anyway, just like the nails we started THEIR job with...) and as you pointed out with the auto industry. they couldnt get away with it due to safty reasons.
so my main question is, why is it only the tech industry ( software, cell phone providers, hell even internet providers) are allowed to get away with this type of stuff? although auto industry is not totaly innocent, they DO use inferior materials to insure that parts will wear out, so that you either buy a new vehicle or buy factory only parts. ( at one time, the suzuki samari brake pads were factory only. im not sure right now though)
its sad in a way, now days we have materials that that would last for your life span for vehicles. stuff that wont wear near as bad, how would you like a car that gets near the same performance 20-30 years later? they would run cleaner becuse of less wear of parts. ive heard that some electrical outfits do that too. use inferior parts to make sure you buy new parts in the furture. seems very wastefull to me..
uhg ok sorry to hijack post on a rant veg LOL
as to vista. i did DL a trial version, it seemed ok. some of the graphics while playing games was realy nice compared to my XP home version. some games even ran smoother. and it seemed a bit more stable. the one thing i did NOT like was being asked every 3 seconds if i actualy wanted to do soemthing.
'if you wish to install click yes/no'
*clicks YES*
'are you sure?'
*clicks YES*
'are you a malisious program trying to install unwanted applications without the users permision?'
*clicks NO*
'are you sure?'
*clicks YES*
'ok, windows is about to install'
'do you have admin privilages?'
*clicks YES*
' you do have admin privlages. click YES to proceed..."
*takes hammer, and BEATS YES on keyboard*
'windows had an error, please shut down to continue'
'do you wish to shutdown? YES/NO'
anyhow LOL.
ppl would absolutly FREAK OUT if you tried something like that. we have even had clients to make us leave the unused nails/screws becuse THEY paid for em. ( in truth the complany pays for em and any EXTRA nails are considered profit and used on the next job anyway, just like the nails we started THEIR job with...) and as you pointed out with the auto industry. they couldnt get away with it due to safty reasons.
so my main question is, why is it only the tech industry ( software, cell phone providers, hell even internet providers) are allowed to get away with this type of stuff? although auto industry is not totaly innocent, they DO use inferior materials to insure that parts will wear out, so that you either buy a new vehicle or buy factory only parts. ( at one time, the suzuki samari brake pads were factory only. im not sure right now though)
its sad in a way, now days we have materials that that would last for your life span for vehicles. stuff that wont wear near as bad, how would you like a car that gets near the same performance 20-30 years later? they would run cleaner becuse of less wear of parts. ive heard that some electrical outfits do that too. use inferior parts to make sure you buy new parts in the furture. seems very wastefull to me..
uhg ok sorry to hijack post on a rant veg LOL
as to vista. i did DL a trial version, it seemed ok. some of the graphics while playing games was realy nice compared to my XP home version. some games even ran smoother. and it seemed a bit more stable. the one thing i did NOT like was being asked every 3 seconds if i actualy wanted to do soemthing.
'if you wish to install click yes/no'
*clicks YES*
'are you sure?'
*clicks YES*
'are you a malisious program trying to install unwanted applications without the users permision?'
*clicks NO*
'are you sure?'
*clicks YES*
'ok, windows is about to install'
'do you have admin privilages?'
*clicks YES*
' you do have admin privlages. click YES to proceed..."
*takes hammer, and BEATS YES on keyboard*
'windows had an error, please shut down to continue'
'do you wish to shutdown? YES/NO'
anyhow LOL.
BlackHawk*K , I will defend M$ and other software company's here to some degree, when you design a great peace of software, no matter how hard you try, there are thousands, hell millions of lines of code to deal with. So issues that are unforeseen can and will occur. this has happened in all other industries as well, but software and sometimes hardware (computer hardware) is very difficult to check every passable issue.
Now here is where I get mad about it, when companies like Microsoft rush software to market and give us sub standard un tested software/hardware. XBox 360, issues because of rush, Wii, the straps taking out TV's, Intel 1 gig chips in 2000 rushed to market and recalled, Windows all versions, EA Games constantly being rushed to market with patches coming just days after release on issues that testing would have shown and da da da, the list goes on. But in the end Microsoft always ends up being one of if not the worst offender in the software/hardware world. Shove it out the door and fix it later just don't work any ware else, but M$ gets away with it. So back to sp1 for vista already announced just goes to show they have a list of things to fix, and the software is just out NOW, and that was announced at least a week before release. this combined with the restrictions and lack of control and ownership you as a user get over your purchased OS is worry sum to say the least. this system where M$ gets to say something is not valid and reove it seams like a really bad idea when you realize that M$ is very good at making sub standard code. And in the end, take someone like me who creates there own custom programs, am I for training and learning purposes going to get my software approved by M$, hell no. What happens if Vista sees a months worth of work as invalid software because of a glitch, I would be needless to say ready to kill M$, yet best I would ever get is a apology form some help desk weaney and they they may say I need to pay 75$ for tech support past the 90 day mark. another annoyance of Windows considering the length of tie we are expected to use there software.
Now here is where I get mad about it, when companies like Microsoft rush software to market and give us sub standard un tested software/hardware. XBox 360, issues because of rush, Wii, the straps taking out TV's, Intel 1 gig chips in 2000 rushed to market and recalled, Windows all versions, EA Games constantly being rushed to market with patches coming just days after release on issues that testing would have shown and da da da, the list goes on. But in the end Microsoft always ends up being one of if not the worst offender in the software/hardware world. Shove it out the door and fix it later just don't work any ware else, but M$ gets away with it. So back to sp1 for vista already announced just goes to show they have a list of things to fix, and the software is just out NOW, and that was announced at least a week before release. this combined with the restrictions and lack of control and ownership you as a user get over your purchased OS is worry sum to say the least. this system where M$ gets to say something is not valid and reove it seams like a really bad idea when you realize that M$ is very good at making sub standard code. And in the end, take someone like me who creates there own custom programs, am I for training and learning purposes going to get my software approved by M$, hell no. What happens if Vista sees a months worth of work as invalid software because of a glitch, I would be needless to say ready to kill M$, yet best I would ever get is a apology form some help desk weaney and they they may say I need to pay 75$ for tech support past the 90 day mark. another annoyance of Windows considering the length of tie we are expected to use there software.