Captain America

Tach Deneva · Post by **Tach Deneva** » 08 Mar 2007, 07:13

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17499797/

"Captain America has undertaken his last mission â€” at least for now. The venerable superhero is killed in the issue of his namesake comic that hit stands Wednesday, the New York Daily News reported."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/0 ... index.html

'Marvel says the comic story line was intentionally written as an allegory to current real-life issues like the Patriot Act, the War on Terror and the September 11 attacks.

'"Every child knew about 9/11," says Dan Buckley, president of Marvel Comics. "If [he] could see a TV he knew what 9/11 was. The other similarities [to] things going on are just part of storytelling."

'It was a violent and strange end for an American hero.'

See also: Civil War - "a story where a guy wrapped in the American flag is in chains as the people swap freedom for security"

Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America for more information on the character, created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in the early 40s.

"What I found is that all the really hard-core left-wing fans want Cap to be standing out on and giving speeches on the streetcorner against the Bush administration, and all the really right-wing [fans] all want him to be over in the streets of Baghdad, punching out Saddam." -- Ed Brubaker, Captain America series writer

TD

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 08 Mar 2007, 07:25

well that figures.....

fucking tragic.....

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 08 Mar 2007, 09:19

interesting since CA was created against the backdrop of Hitler and fought against Nazis. Apparently then, there was much US support for Germany/Nazis and people were up in arms agains CA fighting the Nazis.

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 08 Mar 2007, 09:49

Gator wrote: there was much US support for Germany/Nazis and people were up in arms agains CA fighting the Nazis.

It's not the case that there were so many Americans who supported Germany, it was more the case that the majority of Americans in the 30's were strong isolationists and did not want anything to do with Europe when it came to international affairs.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 08 Mar 2007, 10:32

The us was isolationists even before WW1 and di not want tog et involved. they did when Germany sunk there ships. Now in WW2 they again did not want to be involved, but actulay where. they where providing supplied through Canada to Britain, but they did not want to deal in the war itself. when they where attacked by Japan, they had a war to fight, fine and all that. But Hitler then declared war on the US. This meant the US was not involved in the European war. If Hitler did not declare war, it would not have been surprising if the US did not go after them.

now I do believe Hitler did have a deal of some sorts with Japan, but not sure that involved Hitler declaring war on US, could someone enlighten me on that point. If Hitlar never declared war, it again would not be surprising if they did whoop Britan in the end, or even have enough to take on the Russians and be successful at it.

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 08 Mar 2007, 11:05

Veg, once the US declared war, albeit 1st on Japan, then on Germany, the entire mindset was ETO 1st, PTO 2nd. This started 1st in the lend lease issues and then in materials and supplies and later in troops etc. In reality it had to be this way (much to the dismay of the guys in the PTO) because, England HAD to hold. If England fell, where exactly would we have been able to later in the war invade europe from? Iceland? This is why the early portion of the war in the pacific was mostly a blocking action aimed at maintaining the supply lines between the US and Austraila. The early (not midway) carrier battles were mostly about control of shipping lanes, and not until the IJN decided to try to build an airfield at Guadacannal and thus put a very real and large threat of severing the line to Austraila did reall offensive operatiosn begin in the PTO. But even then the forces availible were very few army units and the Marines.....everything else was slated for the ETO.

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 08 Mar 2007, 11:06

VEGETA wrote: now I do believe Hitler did have a deal of some sorts with Japan, but not sure that involved Hitler declaring war on US, could someone enlighten me on that point. .

Germany's alliance pact with Italy and Japan basically said that any country which was at war with Italy and Japan, was also at war with Germany. So when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, Hitler was bound by the agreement to declare war on the US. He was hoping that Japan would then invade the USSR via Siberia in order to help out the Germany Army which was stalled on its way to Moscow but that never happened. Actually, Japan had signed a non-agression pact with the USSR which expired in August of 1945 and then the USSR promptly invaded Manchuria and Sakhalin. LOL.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 08 Mar 2007, 11:15

got to love it as if that packt was not there, Germany and Us would not have been at war. England was basically broke at this point. Yes it has done well in the battle for britan, well the air war, but Germany could have just kept up the blockades, and just screwed over Britan. and D Day was needless to say would not have happened when it did as it took 5 beaches 2 Us, 2 Britich and one Canadian to go in. If it was say 2 British and 1 Canadian , don't know if the troops would have been enough to get through.

The other BIg issue in WW2 was the fact Germany invaded Russa, if they had to leave them alown, Russia would most likely not have done a thing aginst them. Huge tactical mistake to hit Russia, they should have concentrated on taking England. If they finished england off, it would be a very different world today then we now have. Tho needless to say I am happy for those mistakes

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 08 Mar 2007, 12:03

Well the Germans have a long history of invading the Stepps and getting spanked

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 08 Mar 2007, 12:22

Gator wrote: there was much US support for Germany

Wow, guess I should have said a "relatively vocal minority that supported Germany"

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 08 Mar 2007, 12:48

Gator wrote:
Gator wrote: there was much US support for Germany
Wow, guess I should have said a "relatively vocal minority that supported Germany"

Yes, that would have been more accurate. There was indeed an American Nazi Party in the 1930's which held large conventions and rallies but it represented a very small fraction of the general population.

Tach Deneva · Post by **Tach Deneva** » 08 Mar 2007, 13:25

http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2007/02/civ ... conds.html

TD

Jedi Master · Post by **Jedi Master** » 09 Mar 2007, 18:04

Just like the American Communist Party.

Tach Deneva · Post by **Tach Deneva** » 10 Mar 2007, 12:16

Lots of Captain Americas out there today:

I made a tribute toon, too!

Extra credit if you know the source of the name.

TD

daofcmacg · Post by **daofcmacg** » 11 Mar 2007, 12:11

Hitler and Japan had an alliance and actually Hitler did not want the US in the war but Japan was hell bent on reclaiming honor lost 50 to 150 years before the start of WWII. Hitler and Japan made a deal where Pearl Harbor wouldn't have happened for another 2 to 3 years, but when Japan moved the time table up he had no choice but to follow suit and declare war. Hitler had a precise timetable as to how the war was to progress and in all likelyhood if Japan could have cooled their jets for a little while longer I and many others wouldn't be here.

Everything hinged on Japan waiting a couple of years, to keep the US out of the fight. As Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto said of Pearl Harbor: "We have awakened the sleeping dragon" Note that this statement was reinacted in the movie TORA TORA TORA as We have awakened the sleeping Giant.

DA

Tach Deneva · Post by **Tach Deneva** » 01 Feb 2008, 05:01

He's back! Well.... sorta...

TD

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