Intruder killed by Student weilding a katana

Tach Deneva · Post by **Tach Deneva** » 19 Sep 2009, 19:56

A Johns Hopkins University undergraduate killed an intruder with his trusty KATANA.

"Hours earlier, someone had broken into John Pontolillo's house and taken two laptops and a video-game console. Now it was past midnight, and he heard noises coming from the garage out back..."

Hey, I have a machete.

Softball · Post by **Softball** » 20 Sep 2009, 00:45

Crazy. Sucks to be the burglar.

Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » 20 Sep 2009, 06:42

Deserves what he got. People should have the right to protect their property. If this kid gets punished for this, then this country is ass-backwards.

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 20 Sep 2009, 08:29

I hope he swung the katana in the proper Samurai form.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 21 Sep 2009, 09:03

well the way the copy made it sound it was self defense so it should be fine as the bugler lunged at him

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 21 Sep 2009, 10:15

VEGETA wrote:well the way the copy made it sound it was self defense so it should be fine as the bugler lunged at him

In the US only you mean. I know in most European countries you can get in trouble with the law for defending yourself.

VEGETA · Post by **VEGETA** » 21 Sep 2009, 12:17

PanzerMeyer wrote:
VEGETA wrote:well the way the copy made it sound it was self defense so it should be fine as the bugler lunged at him
In the US only you mean. I know in most European countries you can get in trouble with the law for defending yourself.

even in canada its a pain.

hell few weeks back guy who continualy shop lifts in a down town area of Toronto was nabbed by store clerks/owner making a citisens arrest. As usual when the cops are called on this and other shop lifters they either don't show or take 3 hr's. the guy gets charged for shoplifting and the 3 who detained him where arrested and charged with kidnapping and detainment or some bs like that. IE cops don't do crap and when people do whats written in law as ok still get nailed to wall.

Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » 21 Sep 2009, 13:29

It's basically not okay in the US, hence my original comment. The fact that they are even entertaining charging him with something is BS. This jack ass was trespassing, broke into a building, and was caught in the act of theft. End of discussion. He forfeited his right to live the moment he kicked in the door to a garage he didn't own. I'm tired of the excuses, including ignorance, made for criminals in this country. If people were allowed to defend their stuff like this kid did, some burglars would think twice about ransacking someone else's home.

As for me, I want to own a Ruger Alaskan with .454 Casull rounds. F'ing hand cannon that can take down bears and burglars alike.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdVie ... 1&return=Y

Some guys at the range having fun with this weapon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30zEKoJf ... re=related

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 22 Sep 2009, 05:13

VEGETA wrote: even in canada its a pain.

hell few weeks back guy who continualy shop lifts in a down town area of Toronto was nabbed by store clerks/owner making a citisens arrest. As usual when the cops are called on this and other shop lifters they either don't show or take 3 hr's. the guy gets charged for shoplifting and the 3 who detained him where arrested and charged with kidnapping and detainment or some bs like that. IE cops don't do crap and when people do whats written in law as ok still get nailed to wall.

Wow, utterly ridiculous if you ask me. Even under an Obamunist administration, I still rather live in the US than anywhere else.

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 22 Sep 2009, 05:20

Grifter wrote:It's basically not okay in the US, hence my original comment. The fact that they are even entertaining charging him with something is BS. This jack ass was trespassing, broke into a building, and was caught in the act of theft. End of discussion. He forfeited his right to live the moment he kicked in the door to a garage he didn't own. I'm tired of the excuses, including ignorance, made for criminals in this country. If people were allowed to defend their stuff like this kid did, some burglars would think twice about ransacking someone else's home.

As for me, I want to own a Ruger Alaskan with .454 Casull rounds. F'ing hand cannon that can take down bears and burglars alike.

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdVie ... 1&return=Y

Some guys at the range having fun with this weapon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30zEKoJf ... re=related

Sounds like you may be a good candidate to move to Texas Grifter! Taxes are much lower, cost of living is lower and you can actually defend yourself and shoot someone who trespasses on your property and stay well within the law!

Gator · Post by **Gator** » 22 Sep 2009, 06:47

I thought Arizona was the best place for that...

Buffalo Six · Post by **Buffalo Six** » 22 Sep 2009, 08:41

ok, this topic we have been knocking about for a week over on the CoH boards. The EU crowd finds our self defense laws very strange.

For home defense you dont need a .454 hand cannon. A 12 pump (with a pistol grip and 18" barrel) will do fine. Nothing on this planet thats on 2 legs wont go down to a 12 gage. They may get back up but will be "un-assing" the AO double quick. Plus you dont have to worry about over penetration and shooting thru the wall into someone elses house.

Now as to if you can actually defend yourself comes down to if your state has some form of the "Castle Doctrine" and if the victim has a "duty to retreat" and/or retreat where? Some have "retreat to the wall" (meaning retreat within the home/property to the farthest point without exiting) and some have total retreat.

as of July 08.........

No duty to retreat........ aka "Stand your Ground"

* Alabama
* Arizona
* Florida
* Georgia
* Indiana
* Kentucky
* Louisiana
* Oklahoma Title 21Â§1289.25
* South Carolina (Persons not "required to needlessly retreat.")
* Texas
* Tennessee 2007 Tenn. Pub. Acts Ch. 210 (Amends Tenn. Code. Ann. Â§ 39-11-611)
* Utah
* Washington (Homicide justifiable in the lawful defense of self or other persons present; and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished ...or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony... or upon or in a dwelling, or other place...)

States with Castle Law......."No duty to retreat if in Home/Property"

* Alaska
* California (California Penal Code Â§ 198.5 sets forth that unlawful, forcible entry into one's residence by someone not a member of the household creates the presumption that the resident held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury should he or she use deadly force against the intruder. This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC Â§ 197[1]. CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating." However, it also states that "[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.'â€

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 22 Sep 2009, 09:16

Thanks for that info Buffalo. I'm glad I live in one of the "Stand your ground" States.

PanzerMeyer · Post by **PanzerMeyer** » 22 Sep 2009, 09:17

Buffalo Six wrote: The EU crowd finds our self defense laws very strange.

Yeah I guess its only fair since I find TONS of their laws very strange. ;-)

Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » 22 Sep 2009, 12:53

It's not a question of need Buff. It's a question of desire. .454 hand cannon. yeeaaaaaah!

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » 22 Sep 2009, 19:37

"Plus you dont have to worry about over penetration and shooting thru the wall into someone elses house."

you will likely however shoot through the walls in your own house if you are using any kind of shot that will matter. you still need to be very cognizant of other friendlies in your house and not harm them. many le agencies are now proponents of using the 5.56 carbine in interior confrontations as they velocity/lehtality of the round is greatly diminished after passing through a layer or two of dry wall. they also recommend switching to pistols (9mm. .40, .45, etc.) to 'dig out' hostiles that are hiding behind/within/under cover due to their greater penetration ability.

Hudson · Post by **Hudson** » 22 Sep 2009, 19:51

ya and in ma you have a castle law and you can exercise it with a steak knife. God knows getting a gun is an exercise in the assinine

Drevik · Post by **Drevik** » 28 Sep 2009, 18:49

I definitely need to find out where Nevada stands these days on this. So many Californicators have moved into this state. I am no longer sure anymore.

I have always had melee weapons, crossbows or composite bows (with hunting arrow tips)in the house for protection. I had a 2 foot lead pipe tnat I used to carry around the house when I was alone at age 14. Then later, I had a wall full of martial arts weapons (which by the way when I first met Richard, he also had a wall full of martial arts weapons- I knew we were meant for each other when I first saw it -lol). Now, I usually have my hand crossbow within reach if not Richard's ninjato or my 5ft walnut staff. If someone breaks in, my first reaction will be to defend myself. Besides, I have pets to protect (I mean for me to protect them and not the other way around lol).

I would prefer to trust myself in my own defense.

***EDITED ***
Actuallly, I see now that an Assembly Bill (AB288) has been introduced in Nevada in May

"Introduced by Assemblyman Harry Mortenson (D-42), AB288 would permit a person who is behaving lawfully to use deadly force in self-defense against someone who is attempting to commit a felony and who is unlawfully, forcefully, and without provocation intruding onto property where the defender has a right to be. The defender would not have to retreat and would be protected from civil liability"

So, it will be one to watch.

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